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dogtired



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 12, 2005 6:58 pm    Post subject: training Reply with quote

Like lots of other Dalmatian Guardians I have had enormous trouble with lead walking.

My problem was I kept believing every one who said Dals could not be trained. Well guess what they can.The problem was I was only used to training very dominant dogs and OB is very submissive. I engaged the help of a local trainer Nikky Clarke of Alpha. I highly recommend her methods.

I now have a very polite Dalmatian when walking and he looks so beautiful strutting along with his head held high.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 12, 2005 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Sue,

Great to read your post. A big well done for your patience and perserverance!

I so often see naughty Dalmatians with owners that have dispaired with training. It's so unfortunate there is so much negativity about the abilties of Dalmatians out there.

I had just the same when I started out, luckily I was too stubborn to believe them. Quite enjoyed proving them all wrong! Wink

It would be great to hear about your training methods with a submissive dog. I am sure you could give some great advice to other members who may be in the same situation.

Best wishes

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 4:17 pm    Post subject: Stubborn Reply with quote

Jabbadal

Yes isn't it fun being stubborn.

My next project is to train the children of Bracknell not to throw themselves on my Dog. Good job he doesn't like kids...........well he does actually but he hasn't eaten one..................YET.

Joking apart though but how do others deal with stopping children from following them and their Dals, it didn't happen with my other dogs ?That Walt Disney Bloke has a lot to answer for.


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 20, 2005 1:48 pm    Post subject: children & Dallies Reply with quote

It usually happens when all 3 of them are are attached to the table in the beer garden in our local ( not that we frequent the place very often, you understand! Very Happy ) it's 'Oh look dalmatians' and we cringe, knowing that before long the dreaded little ankle biters will start coming over ( I don't hate kids, we have 3 of them ourselves) we hold onto the dogs and get them to ask permission first if they want to stroke them. Also I've found that if you don't smile at the kids they think twice about approching. When one of the girls was coming into season she was a bit tetchy so we would say don't touch that one. Rolling Eyes
When I collect my daughter from school with the puppy we get mobbed but it's good experience for the puppy so I go with it, but walking there is sooooooo funny to see mums pulling small children out of our way because Tansy is smiling so hard, the mums think that she is a vicious dog Sad
And when we go away in the caravan with them on a site, we sometimes feel like putting a sign out side saying 'yes I know they are Dalmatians, they don't bite, but the owners DO... so bu**er off' Twisted Evil
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Tafuta Oh So Quiet



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 20, 2005 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep - when I said 'I'm getting a dalmatian!' (after years of research) people said 'oh no! they're mad and you'll never be able to train it! They're thick as two short planks!'

I said 'no they're too bright - and I will train her' and that was that - she will be a very well behaved dog if it's the last thing I do.

So far, she has trained really well. The only things we have trouble with (and she's still only 4 months) is manners.

She jumps up, she jumps up at food/table, she pulls on the lead. but she does learn good behaviour quickly she just doesn't know not to do bad behaviour.

However, clicker training is amazing! in the past week since i've been much more strict with her she's been a lot better and I think she enjoys having boundaries.

Instead of drumming bad behaviour out of her, like 'get down!' when she jumps up - I say 'manners' as soon as we see someone or she comes to greet me, if she stays on the floor, she gets a click and a treat.

As for walking, she's still no where near perfect heeling, but she does walk nicely sometimes and I click and praise whenever she's by my side, then I either stop, or if that doesn't work, walk her round in a circle and click when she's back by my side.

Does this sound right? She isn't very good at it but I know she's only young and there's still lots of time to go!

As for the kiddy thing - it's parents! I'll be walking her and children won't come straight up but the parents will say 'Oh look! It's a dalmatian!' and encourage the child to come up. Because Takara's only a baby I let them because I'm hoping it will socialise her for Pets As Therapy. But, when I take her to the local secondary school to pick my sister up I say to the children 'don't scream and jump around (yes! Secondary school children!) because she'll get afraid and snap at you' and they calm down.

however, today at Pets At Home, a little girl came up shouting at the top of her voice and being very rowdy and Takara was very good, this little girl then proceeded to rub Takara's face and muzzle (which T hates!) and I nearly pulled her back because I thought she'd bite, like she does me, but she stood still the whole time, no jumping, pawing or biting and let her fuss her. She's very good with children.

To be honest, with kids I just say 'you can stroke her but be very gentle because she'll get afraid otherwise and don't make too much noise' and they seem to do much better than you telling them they can't.

However - when you get a 15 year old screaming in her face that she doesn't like dogs and refusing to let you past so you're stuck, like I did I feel that they should know better and said 'shut up you stupid cow! she will bite you if you scare her!'

she wasn't impressed...

Can you tell me what the best way is to train a dominant dog? Takara's quite dominant and she will growl and snarl and snap if you try to move her from furniture or touch her while she's asleep...
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 2:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always think that dealing with a dominant dog is a bit like dealing with a naughty child.

It is very much a case of, I said, so you will.
The dogs seem to have a kind of telepathy.If you dont really mean it they dont really have to do it. You can never not insist on the same behaviour. Just forget once to say" sit" at the road side and next time they wont.
I never smacked or anything but by just refusing to talk or look at a naughty dog worked. In a pack the submissives seek the attention of the pack leader so I found this worked.

With the dal who was so pathtically submissive we had to build his confidence. I actually did some things like not feeding him last. Letting him sit and lean on us. Sometimes even get his own way at grooming time and give into him. When training him I was shown to use very gentle and quite actions , loads and loads of praise. If the dominant dog pulled I would correct with the lead, with OB I take a few steps backwards, he becomes a little confused. I dont tell him off. When he then walks next to me I tickle his head and very quietly speak to him and reward him, its safer there isnt it next to your pack leader. This quiteness helped deal with his purple hour too.

Unfortunatly none of this works on a stroppy black cat who when sent here for fostering walked in chose his chair, bowl and bed swiped all the other cats toys and has been here and in charge ever since!!

Hope this is of some use.
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Tafuta Oh So Quiet



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lol i have a cat like that! 'No i will sit on your homework until you stroke me' 'I will eat your supper' 'you will not hoover around me' lol

Thanks. I am going to have to be more forceful with Takara - I've never been able to get her to sit at the road side - not once. She just gets distressed if she has to wait there too long and ends up hanging herself on the lead to get across the road. Even if I gently push her bum down to get her to realise what I want she just moves forward in a squatting position!
Then, as soon as we set off across the road she goes into steam train mode.


I will try and make sure that everyone does the same. my mum takes her for a walk and over December I'm going into hospital so a family friend will be doing it - hopefully he'll make her sit like I ask him to.

Thanks again - well done with OB
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