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highlandboy



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 5:36 pm    Post subject: breathing count at rest? Reply with quote

Hi everyone,

I'm an avid reader of this forum and companion to the wonderful Nemo, rescued almost 3 years ago by myself and my partner. He's 11 and as sprightly as a young pup with more sleeps due to age. Fed on nature diet, regular bones to chew and much attention! (as you all know from experience!)

We've had him in at emergency about 2 wks ago with wheezing and coughing - he got injections and antibiotics. It wasn't like kennel cough at all and also ended with a dry retch with clear liquid coming out sometimes. Breathless when coming upstairs from his poo times/ not running his usual full pelt but behaviour all usual otherwise.
I'll add that this developed slowly with a wet runny nose a few months back, imo.
SO a week later on the pills he was a bit better, less coughing/retching & less wheezing but still a bit breathless. The vet couldnae hear his heart properly and *thought there might be a murmur. I've been watching him like a hawk, well, I always do. He can actually sleep and lie down properly without discomfort, which is a really good sign.

Also after a week of almost - bed rest he ran around as normal Wink with no breathlessness/coughing!

He's booked in for an x-ray in 2 wks time, enough time to give this cough time to get better if that's all it is. No crackle or noises or fluid present at all….

(we have a high pollen count and there have been tarry roadworks outside the house for the last 6 months - but gone now)

My question:
Could someone please give me a breath count of an 'at rest'/sleeping dalmatian please, adult male, roundabout 11yrs? His count is about 36 per minute but I'm pretty sure it's still a bit faster for him…..(I feel I've almost forgot what 'normal' for him is now Sad )
I read online that for a large dog anything between 10 and 34 is normal but I'd like something more accurate if possible.

He is currently on amoxicilian (2nd day)and I was wondering if it was now a reaction to that?
When it's quiet I can hear his heart pumping when I lean near him.

Fearing an increase in anxious paranoia as the days go by!

Thanks you!
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Maggi



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2014 7:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dogs like people vary in these things. I've always been told up to 35 is 'normal' so 36 for an old dog who has been poorly doesn't sound excessive to me.

Interestingly the symptoms you decribe sound exactly like kennel cough which has developed into a respiratory infection to me. And the fact that he's on antibiotics means that the vet doesn't think it's an allergy.

Try not to worry about the 'heart murmur'. Many older dogs develop a slight murmur and it doesn't in any way impinge on their quality of quantity of life.

As he is now getting better, try to treat him normally (though go easy on the exercise if the weather is warm). Take him back for his check up, but if you are still worried contact the vet again for reassurance. You cna phone up for advice you know - don't necessarily have to take the dog.

It's normal to be very anxious when our spotty babies are ill, however sounds to me as though he has had kennel cough with a nesty infection and very likely is now on the mend.

Let us know how he gets on at the vets.
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Jeangenie



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2014 10:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It certainly sounds as though he's had a bout of kennel cough which has left him with a bit of a chest infection, so his breathing will be shallower and faster than usual.

I've just checked my old boy's (he's nearly 15) respiratory rate as he lay dozing at my feet, and it was 17 in a minute.
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highlandboy



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2014 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the replies. They put me at rest. He hadn't coughed the last 4 days but was still bit breathless, which seems great. We took him out and he ran around but within his limits.

Sadly we had to go in for another emergency visit, as advised by the vet we were getting information on the phone from. It wasn't due to the breathing but a mystery injury that was causing him to yelp out in pain whenever he moved to eat/jump up, walk down the stairs etc. He stayed up all night unable to sleep as well.
Nemo was diagnosed with a grade 4 heart murmur and we'll find out more in 13 days time when he goes for his scan. Unfortuantely, (imo) the vet gave him too large a dose of buprenorphine (we had to carry him downstairs to poo and pee as he couldnae walk properly) and he is still woozy, confused and jumpy 2 days later. The prescribed carprofen seems to have caused diarrhoea and he is off his food.
poor poor boy Sad
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2014 9:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Poor chap - take good care of him and give loads of cuddles. Remember he is your dog and you know him best. If any trreatment he is given doesn't suit him then go back and discuss with the vet. What is important when they get old is quality of life. Like us, some dogs don't tolerate certain drugs and there is no point giving elderly animals things which make them feel dreadful. There are usually alternatives and you need him to eb ahppy and comfortable.

Hope that he picks up soon and the scan etc go well.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 12:37 am    Post subject: downhill Reply with quote

Thanks again for the thoughts. I ended up stopping the tablets after a day.

Sadly the scan didn't happen as he freaked out when we left him at the vets - barked non stop then had a vestibular episode & rolled around in circles on the floor/ eyes rolling back/head tilt etc Sad All in the first hour.
They put him on a drip as they thought he was going into shock, took blood samples, pumped him full of steroids and gave the poor boy some diazepam.

He's recovered but is quiet, panting a lot, drinking *lots more, occasionally throwing up clear foamy saliva and has what i think is a distended abdomen……not off his food at all but eating slowly & plodding around on the last 2 walks. not interested in his toys today, which is not good.
came to the conclusion that if he had bloat he would be dead by now (this all happened on monday) but I'm going to call the vets again tomorrow morning.
paws crossed….
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 7:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Poor Nemo Crying or Very sad

The only thing this reminds me of is years ago, I had a welfare Dally, she had a heart problem when I got her. Bless her, she was only 5, she was born with the defect I believe.

The first indication was a heart murmur. Then she would pant excessively with a very fast heart rate. She had an intermittent cough (bringing up white froth) due to the fact that fluid was backing-up into her lungs and she was trying to clear it. Her abdomen was distended due to oedema. She was restless too. And she had fainting episodes.

Similar symptoms to your boy.

Can you check with another Vet? - another opinion?

I hope it isnae, but whatever it is, I hope you get him feeling better soon.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2014 3:08 pm    Post subject: Dilated Cardiomyopathy after all Reply with quote

HI there,

Well we've all bee n up to our eyes and in & out of emergency vets over the last month or so. Nemo was sadly diagnosed with dilated cardiomyopathy, and to be honest it's what I was originally thinking back in the beginning.

He's on Pimobendan and furesomide and seems to be in a stable condition and able/desperate for shortish walks and socialising. He sleeps a lot and doesn't belt around like he used to which is super sad. His heart is still ponding away, say the vets, and he could drop dead at any minute.

After much discussion, observation and thought we're focusing on making this time as best as it can be for him and when it comes to the time have him euthanised at home. I'm obviously hoping he will be a miracle dog and live for a year or more……

Thank you for all your help and input.

He's recently lost his appetite, which is possibly down to the meds, or confusion over pills/meds in his food (we stopped doing that 2 wks ago) Hoepfully this will get sorted out as he is pretty thin now…..but being a dalmatian he'll still be scanting around when out. I should try leaving his food around outside!
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2014 11:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm so sorry, I've only just caught up with this and am very sorry to read about poor Nemo.
It must be dreadfully upsetting for you all, especially as he is no great age.

I have no solutions for you but it sounds as though the vets are getting the meds right.

We lost our special boy about 16 months ago now and although almost 14 its never easy.

My advice would be to spoil him rotten for the time he has left.

Dylan was allowed to sleep on the spare bed with me for his last few weeks, he had car trips rather than walks, ice creams, hot dogs, bacon, chicken...all the things he'd not been allowed, in moderation of course so as not to uoset his tummy.

Enjoy your time with your special boy and be brave for him when his time comes x
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highlandboy



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2014 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the reply. yeah we were doing all that and more so.

Pains me deeply to say that we had Nemo euthanised yesterday. He had a lovely final walk around a loch, waded in as was his fashion, barked at other dogs, made them do bad things in the water too, sat in the sun with us and watched the world go by.

his breathing had started to deteriorate and he hadn't been able to eat over the last 2 days….was all bony, and desperate to drink but couldn't have enough. The vets made a massive last ditch intervention.

We're burying him at his favourite walk location next to the burn.
We're totally heartbroken. Life without dalmatians is just not the same.

he had a wondrous charmed life with us and we were perfectly matched and all 3 joined at the hip!
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2014 7:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm so terribly sorry for your loss.
No words will help but please know we all understand.
Sleep well Nemo x
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2014 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm so sorry for the heartbreak you're going through, but please take comfort from the fact that you loved him so much you didn't let him suffer. Sleep well Nemo.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 24, 2014 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So sorry . . .

But be proud of how you cared for him.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2014 6:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm so sorry for your loss. You must be heartbroken, but remember the good times and be proud that you gave him the best home he could have. The love he gave you lives on in the lovely memories you will have of him. Take care of yourselves xxx
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So very sorry for your loss.May you find comfort thinking of the happy times you had with him.
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